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Please add or re-new content on any page by clicking on the **Edit This Page** button, making your changes then click **Save** **Presentation Outline ** ('Serving Suggestion' from Dean. Based on Reed & Johnson //Introduction -// please edit/revise as you see fit) leading to....... The BIG QUESTION - (possibly What is Bravery???? based on [|lesson] from Philosophy4Kids) In groups of 4 - 'Think, Pair, Share' (5 MINUTES?) recording (3 MINUTES?) Pair 1 - Socrates Pair 2 - Plato Pair 3 - Aristotle
 * Contacts**
 * **'Aristotle'** || **Phone** || **'Plato'** || **Phone** || **'Socrates'** || **Phone** ||
 * Leigh || 59686705 || Stewart || 0403 832 834 || <span style="font-size: 110%; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS',cursive;">Claire || <span style="font-size: 110%; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS',cursive;">0427 538 534 ||
 * <span style="font-size: 110%; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS',cursive;">Judi || <span style="font-size: 110%; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS',cursive;">98704551 or 0409 418 052 || <span style="font-size: 110%; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS',cursive;">Dean || <span style="font-size: 110%; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS',cursive;">0415 722 425 || <span style="font-size: 110%; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS',cursive;">Daryl || <span style="font-size: 110%; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS',cursive;">0438 532 046 ||
 * Part One** -
 * //Introduction - Context & explanation (5 minutes?)//**
 * Educators can learn something of signifcance by considering the great philosophic tradition in education.
 * A powerful argument cannot be reduced to a single phrase - our aim will be to provide an over-arching understanding of philosophic tradition add how we may apply this in an educational setting
 * Provide context through relaying the history of philosophical dialogue of ancient Greece via a timeline tracking the Natural Philosphers to the Sophists onto Socrates, Plato and finally Aristotle.
 * Socratic Principle - exercise to get us working 'philosophically'
 * Part Two** - Pair Presentations (10 MINUTES EACH?)
 * Part Three** - The Big Finish (10 MINUTES? for total of 60 MINUTES?)

Some helpful stuff (by Leigh) Hi everyone! Judi here.... Thanks for this set-up. Looks great. I think we do need an outline to put into context what this is all about. I'm just wondering (as I do) about what the "big question" might be and how it might tie in with our job of giving everyone an understanding of the different approaches of each of the philosophers..... I guess I'm thinking do they need that information before the "big question"? We can make an assumption, I guess, of some prior knowledge before they come to the session (that they have read the chapter). So what ARE we trying to do? Not sure I know in my own head yet - will keep working on it. Cheers PS Can I suggest we all have a look at the links on the MUSO site regarding principles of Adult Education, as understanding these (and putting into practice) is part of our assessment I think?
 * AIl In The Mind (ABC Radio National) || [] ||
 * EdPod (HEAPS USEFUL) scroll down to 5/feb || [] ||
 * Philosophers Zone || [] ||
 * Philosophy 4 Kids (Bravery may be a good starter for the socratic principle. ) || [] ||
 * Victorian Ass for Philo In schools || [] ||

From Stew: An interesting yet confusing reading. Hi guys, Dean I loved the U Tube Plato video, that would make a good part of our presentation as it explains Book VII in visual terms. Also maybe Socrates could be explained oraly as he never wrote anything down?

Hi All,

I've looked at some of the Adult Learning resources and they look interesting - one comment is that perhaps traditional adult learning of loads of powerpoint screens and a lack of building on previous knowledge tends to make people nod off... so I think we were on the right track thinking about activities and some music or drama to capture people. Also, the discussion on Friday as I understood it was to also bring the philosophers to life, so some quirky facts about them (not necessarily educational theory) might help with 'hooking' our audience. Perhaps we could bring the fact that Socrates was forced to suicide as one of the big questions... Thanks for setting this up and all the research so far. cheers Claire :)

Hi guys, Dean here! - just had a brainwave. To engage our audience (along the lines of Claire's point re. adult learning) maybe we could set up the presentation more 'dramatically', in the form of a 'Current Affair' style news item. It could include a 'live' cross to Socrates trial with the background piece that refers to the Socratic principles etc and maybe how it contrasts to the precursors (Sophists etc.) we then could tie in an interview with Plato and he could be spruiking his book deal (i.e. The Apology) which could cover the core information about his beliefs and works (including a cut over to the Cave video) We then could move onto a 'special feature' about Aristotle. Just an idea - too hard?? Let me know what you think!

Hey there, Daryl and I were thinking of a role play describing the teaching style of Socrates and follow up with some Socratic questions using the Bravery link Leigh (I think) put on this site, but possibly we could cross to that with our news/current affair program? I do like the idea of somehow linking the three presentations somehow if it's possible. What do people think of that? Another thing... Wow! I really hadn't done anything on either Socrates, Plato or Aristotle before, and it's pretty cool to learn so much so quickly, and thankyou so much to everyone for putting links and resources here, fantastic. Hope it's going okay so far, and hope the reflection essay is alright too. cheers Claire

Hi guys I love the Current Affairs idea, it will flow beautifully. As long as we have our 3 different parts sorted, we can link them from a home studio with a bit of ab libbing. Yes learning about these guys has been awesome. Dean love the Plato page, I have added some more facts and will continue to add more soon. Stew

Hi,

I've added a Socrates section - a brief into (maybe for our current affairs anchor person) and a role play with some quick discussion questions which, based on Allie Clemans' advice I would like put on coloured cards. We plan to have a couple of slides as a background for our news anchor and I have a suggestion for a name... 'Teacher Watch' (I though 'Teachers' Affairs' might be misinterpreted...). I'd really love to know what people think of what we've got so far for Socrates - whether it fits in with what everyone else is doing. It would be great if we can work out the overall flow of the whole presentation - Dean, do you want to be the anchor person? Daryl has some slides that we will use as background and introductory material, but I'm trying to limit the use of them. I'll got to read some more adult learning resources suggested to us, so if I've done anything glaringly wrong so far, can you please, please tell me?!! Good luck everyone, looking forward to hearing and to having a lovely restful Thursday next week!!!!

Cheers Claire :)

PS - the picture on the Socrates page might be our Athenian youth.... Also, I love the videos you've put in Plato, I think we have a really interesting and engaging presentation.

Hi guys remember we have to link all this ( all 3 people) to how it has an impact on an educational leader and also reminder all slide show material has to be given to them on monday. I am meeting Dean at lunchtime tomorrow to finalise out Plato part. I love the Matrix comparison. Stew

Hi everyone - looks like we are making some good progress. The Current Affair style should work well - just needs some good accompanying music maybe? Always up for a good role-play!!! Leigh and I will meet over the weekend and finalise our bit. What are we planning to have for handouts ready for Monday? I'm happy to type up and get ready if we want just a combined sheet of some kind....probably better to have it all in one resource, do you think? Keep working hard - roll on Thursday! Cheers Judi.

Dean here again - Love your work Claire/Daryl! Nice scripting! Would you be looking at including a bit of historical info from the reporter on the spot before the Youth/Socrates dialogue? Maybe highlighting the contrast between Socrates and the Natural Philosophers/Sophists? And maybe something on the Delphic Oracle? I was thinking of portraying Plato (maybe in a wrestling costume???) with Stewart following up with a review of The Republic book - we will add detail to our wiki page over the next two days. I thought may be Judi could be the 'anchorwoman' (if not I'm happy to do it and maybe Stewart can be Plato.) I read an interesting [|blog]about social constructivism in relation to collaborative learning. The role of the dialectic in the Socratic model I think directly informs this approach in particular the Inquiry Learning model.- maybe this is the big finish we need as far as providing the 'clincher' in regard to educational context. We could use this wiki as an example of the collaborative approach (I'm sorry I just can't stop myself from being an Ultranet coach!)

Hi all, I'm setting up a powerpoint, just for the Socrates role play at the moment. Will try to include Current Affair type theme song as suggested at beginning of Ppt. Happy to include other info such as impact on educational leaders. Will research more on this tonight and tomorrow. Have included info on Socrates impact on ed leadership. This wiki has been a great way of keeping in touch and sharing ideas. Thanks for everyones contributions. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Cheers Daryl

Hi everyone. I am trying to get together a "hand-out" for uploading onto the site by tomorrow night. This would be simply in two parts for each practitioner, I think. A brief history, and an overview of their thoughts on education (which is our focus). What does everyone else think? I have compiled Aristotle, and attach (if I can figure out how) for your information. If we can limit to one page for each (history and education), that should not be too overwhelming. I am not sure that we have to upload the powerpoint - perhaps we need to clarify this? I am also trying to put the script together - just so it has some flow. It seems that we have a good way of linking it together, just need to put our "activities" with the audience in and try to keep within the structure. I will sen you a copy of what I have by the end of the day today I hope, as I am soon meeting with Leigh to finalise our bit. Cheers Judi.

<span style="color: rgb(0,0,0);">Hello again! I am trying to tie this whole thing into one manageable script. I've come up with an outline which can be edited by all of us up until Wednesday morning. The trick will be to make it fit what we want - looking for music to tie the whole bit together. I am trying to figure out how to make a new page so we can have a final product all together, and then edit from there...... Any ideas? Judi. OKAY! Just found it.....I've created a new tab for us to use....hope this is okay??

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAN!

Hi all, happy birthday Dean. Mine was the 26th. Script is fantastic and it satisfies the engaging in active learning criteria very well. I've inserted our ppt and handout on the essense..see below. <span style="color: rgb(255,0,0);">Just wondering where we will present our findings on the implications of our thinker for ed leaders. Is this in the handout or part of presentation?

Cheers Daryl

Hi guys, it's really coming together, the script is fantastic!!!!! Happy birthday Dean and Darryl!!!! I have added the film/ book reviewers script on final script and script and resources, it was fun to do. Dean how do we put in the two You Tube movies (The cave and matrix movie- see links in script) and Matrix slideshow (see Plato section)? Should we just open them up on the night, or can you e mail the links on mon? Darryl maybe have an insert into modern day t.v or reflective vision from the future from Oracle????

Great job everyone, especially on the terrific script.

Stewart

Happy Birthday Dean - well what ever is left of it. Hey, this has all come together really well. The whole package is looking awesome. I've placed some notes and links of the relevant theories of learning on the Aristotle page. Thanks heaps Judi for your work on the script, it works. Leigh

Happy Birthday (belated) to Dean and Daryl! Thanks so much everyone for all your work on this presentation, and especially to Dean for uploading it and taking care of Wiki and the admin side. Hopefully all will go smoothly tomorrow and we'll be able to sit back and relax and listen to others' presentations for the next few Wednesday sessions. Good luck, many cheers and thanks and see you at uni! :) Claire

See you all tomorrow night, should be fun. Ditto what Claire just said. Stewart